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15 June 2010 @ 08:35 pm
[sub]JYJ 3hree Voices Preview + My Rant  
[sub]JYJ 3hree Voices Preview

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hello everyone =) I understand that many of you are not happy with me since I stopped subbing Sunao Ni Narekute. But please understand, it isn't fun to spend hours after hours doing something that you don't enjoy. You wouldn't want to do it so there isn't a reason for me to do it either. But I do apologize because I have let many of you down.

Recently, I have been wanting to stop subbing because of everything that is going on with DBSK. While I know there are many, many, many fans out there who are able to support the boys separated like this, I find it extremely difficult. Now, please do not stop reading here and bash the heck out of me in the comments because I have my own reasons as well. I'm not saying that my reasons are the only reasons either. Everyone is entitled to have their own ideas and opinions about everything. Some of you might agree with me and some may not.

PLEASE BE WARNED!!! The following is a rant written by me on the DBSK lawsuit situation, and JYJ's decision and the fact that they seem to be moving on. Please do not read if you are an avid keep the faith fan, an avid hater of SM, or an avid JYJ supporter. Only read if you want to know my opinion on recent events or if you side with Yunho and Changmin more on this lawsuit situation. Please understand that if you do read this and find it offensive in any way, do not bash me because everyone is entitled to their own opinions and I am merely posting mine in MY journal.

Since almost six years ago, when I first became a fan of DBSK, I knew that one day the inevitable will happen and that these five amazing boys will become men and split up to accomplish what they hope for on their own. I knew that when that day arrived, I would be devastated, probably hold a DBSK funeral, and cry my eyes out. But, I also knew that I would support them because I want them to accomplish all that they hope for. But not this way. 

While watching this preview, my heart sank seeing the words "always, forever, together" being attributed to three of the five members. It's almost as if the friendship between the five members was a lie and that the "always, forever, together" used for DBSK was just for looks and that these words were meant for JYJ as a three person group. I don't even know how to express this feeling and I don't think I'm making sense either... but when I imagined the day of separation, I imagined the five men congratulating each other, appreciating what they have accomplished, and wishing each other luck in the future. But now, I don't believe it when someone says that the relationship between the five isn't strained or that they are still on great terms. That's not possible and though many may have a different outlook towards this situation, I can't imagine being perfectly good friends when your career, what you enjoy doing, something you spent years trying to achieve, is on the line.

Everyone knows that my favorite member is Jaejoong. I've been in love with this man for the past... forever and I want to agree with the way he is choosing to do things but I can't. I really can't agree with the way JYJ is dealing with the situation. I don't like how they have formed a new group and started a new career without the consent of the other two members, without reaching a conclusion to a mess that they (and I know by using this word people are gonna drop hell on me) created.

I am the type of person who will become extremely thankful if someone helps me out. If you remember the situation with Super Junior's Hankyung lawsuit and Kyuhyun's cyword post about how "only a monster will bite the hand that fed you," I agree with kyuhyun. I'm in no way calling the three boys monsters but SM has given JYJ so much and without SM JYJ would be no one today. Without SM who would know who Jaejoong, Junsu, or Yoochun is? Jaejoong will still be working at part-time jobs, Junsu will be in school, and Yoochun will still be in America. If I were in such a position, I can't imagine turning my back on something that gave me my life (in a sense). I know the boys were treated harshly but they weren't the only one. Everyone knows that Korean artists receive the worst treatment what with the extremely long training period and then the extremely long work hours. Which idol now doesn't travel everywhere? Which idol now doesn't have bags under their eyes? Which idol now hasn't fainted from overwork? I'm not justifying the way things are done in Korea but if every idol is treated that way... why do they complain...

I understand that because of JYJ, the Korean entertainment circle may change for the better and this is the only thing that I will be happy about (if this actually happens).

All I'm saying is since SM is offering a compromise, why is JYJ still being stubborn? Of course, if there is something darker behind the problems released to the public I may be able to understand. But with the information released now, I would choose the compromise.

I guess what brought this entire thing to my mind was the fact that JYJ is really moving on now even though no compromise has been made, the lawsuit hasn't ended, and JYJ is moving on even though DBSK is still intact as a group... I have so many more things that I want to say but I don't know how to word what I'm saying and it's just a whirlpool of emotions.

Now if you read through this entire thing and don't agree with what I'm saying, please be mature and do not bash me within the comments. Please do not say "you are not a true fan," "you are selfish," or "you are a bitch." Like I said, everyone is entitled to their own opinions and I'm merely sharing my opinion in my journal. I have freedom and so do you. If you have a different opinion, please post that in your own journal. there's so many errors in this rant post... i didn't want to go back and edit everything that i wrote so i basically just wrote things in accordance to when they popped into my head.
moomoomiguelle on June 16th, 2010 01:00 am (UTC)
Thank you so much for subbing 3hree Voices preview.
have you watch/read/heard any of the JYJ Thanksgiving Live, dear???
exotsiaexotsia on June 16th, 2010 01:03 am (UTC)
i only watched a few fancams =) been a bit busy
lazy, no subject - moomoomiguelle on June 16th, 2010 01:12 am (UTC) (Expand)
lazy, no subject - exotsia on June 16th, 2010 01:24 am (UTC) (Expand)
lazy, no subject - moomoomiguelle on June 16th, 2010 01:33 am (UTC) (Expand)
~♥Hope to the End. Always Keep the Faith♥~chloe1910 on June 16th, 2010 01:34 am (UTC)
Well, everyone is entitled to your their own opinion. This is your subbing journal, so you have every right to rant. Beleive when I've was really depressed for some time adn even on the verge of crying whenever I watch their old vids (yes, even now too that's why I try not to watch it cause it still hurt so bad). But I've finally learn to accept things and all I want now, is for all of them to be happy. And if Jaechunsu getting out of SME and Homin staying back is what they feel is the best for them, I respect their wishes.

Though I am supporting Jae, Yoochun and Junsu in fighting for their rights and am disappointed that Yunho and Changmin never join them, I am still not taking side cause both sides have their own reasons and stands. It unfortunate that they can't agree on the same thing but NO ONE is wrong for wanting to do things differently. It's all a matter of different perceptions and principles.

As for SME willingness to compromise, it was never announce what kind of compromisation that SME is willing to make. To you, you might feel that it is the best to compromise, but most importantly to Jaechunsu, is it the best option for them? Anyway, to reject or to be seen to be rejecting initial compromisation offering is always the tactics used by lawyers in court. If SME is really open to compromising(as in compromising to Jaechunsu's requests), why wait until now? But it is very obvious that Jaechunsu are not going back. However, let's be honest, after all the drama, do we seriously think they could go back to SME and work happily?

I do agree that out of every party, Yunho and Changmin is the worst off. For me, it's Changmin cause he's just seems so quiet while Yunho has been getting high profile projects like MJ's tribute, World Expo and the musical. I pray and hope that SME is not putting Changmin aside but it is Changmin's own wish to be out of limelight for his own personal reason. To be honest, though I feel very sad for Homin, I am not that worried about Yunho cause I know he has many friends support and SME is taking good care of Yunho.

As for moving on..... Are we entirely sure that Jaechunsu has moved on? What's with all the fancams and pictures of them crying especially Jae who ran off from the stage after W and broke down and Junsu who forsaken a line cause it's too overwhelmingly emotional for him to go on? Jae is someone who vowed never to cry on stage and since their last few final performances (end of last year in Japan), Jae seems to be on the verge of crying. And Junsu never sacrifice any lines for tears. To me, Jaechunsu is back on stage again doing the one thing they love-SINGING. I for one feel that they have not really moved on but life goes on and with the decision they have made, and how the situation turned out, it's the best what they could do. I'm not gonna comment if the projects they took up is right or wrong cause it's such a subjective terms and it's all based on individual.

I rather 3 of them are together than seeing solo projects cause at least I know they still wanna be together. Solo/ duo/ trio/ OT5, I'll take what they could give. I rather see JaeHoChunSuMin on screen/ stage/magazines (be it together or individually) than totally not seeing them at all. Cause like it or not, the phrase "out of sight, out of mind" is so very true and that is not what I want for all of them(all the five), to lose their fans cause as of now, we can see their number of fans keep reducing by the days. T_____T

I do know too that you've requested for commenters to post it at our own blog if we have different opinion. Please delete this if you think I've step over my line. I am sorry if what I said have hurt you but I always feel that friends should be open and honest with each other and I think it's always ok to disagree with each other cause it's impossible to have 100% same thoughts, likes or dislikes. We just respect each other's feelings and opinions.

Edited at 2010-06-16 01:37 am (UTC)
exotsiaexotsia on June 16th, 2010 01:43 am (UTC)
thank you for you opinion =) i like reading this since it shows another point of view without all the swearing.

I don't really think the boys are moving on as in forgetting homin. I just don't think they should have formed a subgroup and started releasing products without this lawsuit having come to an end. I'm 100% sure that the boys won't go back to SM and that the chances of DBSK forming back into a 5 member is beyond slim. I just think that since JYJ are still under SM (technically) and that DBSK is still intact, they shouldn't be forming a subgroup without the consent of both SM and the other two members.

and I really hope Changmin's drama succeeds. I haven't been udpated recently since I've been pretty depressed (like no more DBSK song listening for me for a period of time)


and I know jaesuchun has it hard too, emotionally. It is really hard for me to watch those fancams. but the main reason that I'm unhappy with the three boys is because of what i stated above: acting without finalizing anything and without consent.

Edited at 2010-06-16 01:47 am (UTC)
lazy, no subject - chloe1910 on June 16th, 2010 02:09 am (UTC) (Expand)
lazy, no subject - eien_no_akame on June 20th, 2010 08:08 am (UTC) (Expand)
~♥Hope to the End. Always Keep the Faith♥~chloe1910 on June 16th, 2010 01:39 am (UTC)
Taking the hardsubs. Thanks a lot.
pie.: clerith 1piemin on June 16th, 2010 01:49 am (UTC)
i agree w/ you - for most of the entry. noone can bash you for being honest to yourself, right? (:
and in my opinion, the Thanksgiving concert is the most ridiculous thing evers. eventhough i know everything there was so real, their tears and their honest thoughts, but somehow, i didn't feel a thing.

anyway. the faith is shaken but it's not like we fans will give up easily. (:
exotsiaexotsia on June 16th, 2010 01:58 am (UTC)
I have the exact same thought on the Thanksgiving concert. I understand that the feelings are real and the tears are real but it's just not the time and place for 3 of the members to hold a concert by themselves. Especially since they are still part of SM and still part of DBSK. Heading off and holding a concert like that just seemed wrong to me.

j_dramaq: Xiah-Kissablej_dramaq on June 16th, 2010 02:19 am (UTC)
You know, seeing the three together in concert is indeed thrilling - if anything, since I've been unfortunate to only know about them just before their lawsuit, I haven't been through an experience in seeing one of their concert performances unveil before me in the present. So it was indeed exciting; however, I felt a little touch of sadness too.

Though I haven't been a long fan like you, I've seen what I could of them from 2003 to the present, and I have been just awestruck at the combination of these five men, and truly learned to appreciate the richness each brought to the group. I see Shinhwa, G.O.D., and H.O.T. go their separate ways and it just wonderful to see how they still support each other. And I can't help feeling deeply saddened that the more time Changmin and Yunho is apart from Jaejoong, Junsu and Yoochun, the harder it'll be for them to be like that as well.

I mean, seeing through the media all the trials and tribulations they've gone through, as overly-hyped they may have been to some people eyes, they can't deny the energy and effort they put forth to live up to those expectations. They've shown heart by baring probably truly grueling schedules in trying to maintain a top position in the Korean music scene or gaining a foothold in the Japanese market. I've followed other groups but DBSK is tops in my admiration for their gumption and efforts to not only satisfy their fans but their own standards as singers and entertainers.

I thought or rather hoped that all five would eventually reflect on the struggles they've gone together and finally reach an understanding, at least outside of the SME lawsuit if not something that would end the lawsuit; something that would bring them together again where even if they still decide to go their separate ways, it would be with support for each other.

So, in seeing JYJ sing "W" where it's a love song stating that they will wait for Yunho & Changmin, I couldn't help feeling that it would actually make it harder for them to do so. As much as it is a song about reconciliation, the new song, the concert, the promotions, and so on, seemed that the three are actually flying farther away.

Sorry for my rant in response to your rant. I’ve been feeling rather moody too and your words just seemed to trigger a wave of thoughts I haven’t really verbalized till now. I have my own opinions about the validity of the lawsuit, its effects and reactions towards the settlement offers, and I haven’t committed myself to one side of the fence (JYJ/DBSK), I just wanted to write back that you’re not alone with a heavy heart. I want all of them to truly reach the stars and be globally recognized but I agree, somehow the current path just doesn’t seem right…

I’ve loved your work and truly thank you for the subbing work you’ve done, for you have contributed to fostering my love for DBSK – so as far as discontinuing subbing if you don’t feel like it, I for one, do not begrudge you.(*^.^*)

Again, sorry for the long reply...
exotsiaexotsia on June 16th, 2010 02:32 am (UTC)
thank you for your opinions =)

Your response really hit a point that's been bugging the heck out of me. (and please do not misunderstand, i still love all 5 members so much and understand they each have their difficulties) but like you said, the three members are flying further away. Despite how they say they would like to keep all five together, releasing items, holding concerts, having meetings, all this pull JYJ away from HoMin. This thus makes the words "wanting to get back together" seem half-hearted (though i'm sure they want to be together). I just think if they wanted to get together no matter what, they would be focusing on that instead of other promotions. (again, not saying they don't want to be together)

plus it kind of bothers me how JYJ is singing about waiting for HoMin. As if waiting for HoMin to realize that they are wrong and should following JYJ... (not saying that's really what they are thinking since what do I know about what goes on in the boys' minds) I'm sure HoMin is waiting for JYJ too...

lazy, no subject - j_dramaq on June 16th, 2010 03:20 am (UTC) (Expand)
kim_sorakim_sora on June 16th, 2010 02:23 am (UTC)
thanks you for this~ ^^
I can't say that I agree with all your opinions about the lawsuit issue, in fact I would never understand the real reason why is the lawsuit happening unless I can read their mind... but all I can do now is to trust them, I know it's not easy, but I'm willing to try for them for DBSK <3 fighting ^^p
exotsiaexotsia on June 16th, 2010 02:33 am (UTC)
welcome =)
none of us will really know what any of the members truly feel about each other or towards this lawsuit...
lick_liciousr_1353 on June 16th, 2010 03:22 am (UTC)
thanx a lot sweetie..

and yes.. i do agree with ur rant in some part..

but hey.. lets just hope they'll resolve their differences fast.. all these commotion and problem is making us fans drift apart..

(Anonymous) on June 16th, 2010 04:25 am (UTC)
Hi, thanks for your opinion. I am a Korean fan, and have followed the suit. I respect your opinion, and feel sad for the current situation. The only thing I want to say is.. international fans do not know enough about SM.How they are stubborn.. and when SM says "compromise", it means "you follow my opinion, or you are done." For example, they did not submit even the basic docs such as the accounting record to the Court. Can you imagine that they did not submit the document even to the Court? Then, you can imagine how SM might have reacted to three member's demand to show them the record. They have not been paid properly, and SM's attitude is famous for destroying individual career activities so that SM can replace the group with new one when time comes. Anyways, the reason JYJ is getting huge support in Korea is because Koreans know this situation. Some angry fans are distorting the truth about SM and the slavery contract. The slavery contract is not a joke It is the real thing that denies the justice that JYJ deserve from SM.
I do respect the fans who get hurt from this controversy, and it is their freedom to choose to support whoever. But I do believe justice should be observed, and JYJ should have the right to pursue their own career out of SM's oppressive management, and they deserve to be free to pursue their art. Thanks for reading. and I do wish luck for all TVXQ members according to their own choices.
yeyekermityeyekermit on June 16th, 2010 06:12 am (UTC)
Glad to hear news from you again. Thanks for sharing this and stay healthy
tarwen♥tarwen_xoxo on June 16th, 2010 07:44 am (UTC)
thank you for subbing

well, also thank you for your efforts and care. i prepared myself to read your opinion but i ended up skimming it to the end. i dont know if this means you are stopping or just side-stepping

you're free to have your opinion. i hurts me a little to read this personal opinion. i have my belief and you have yours

again, thank you for all you've done
Garcia: Argh!greese_gurei on June 16th, 2010 09:56 am (UTC)
Hey...new reader, really hope I'm welcome^-^

I somehow argee with your opinion and no one should bash you because it's your opinion and it's what you're feeling right? That rant you made...makes me understand the lawsuit better, I never understood it very well until now though I don't know if they have broken up or not but in my heart I know that prehaps DBSK is over but who am I to say that when they haven't said it themselves. Sometimes I think DBSK...I think this is the last year, but I can dream that they will work things out.

I may be a fan of both Yunho and Jae and everything but I won't take sides I respect their wishes, what I don't get is why some people keep taking sides, I don't think they realise that it'll cause hate...JYJ were or are still fighting for their rights, yes I understand that SM didn't treat them very well and stuff, maybe there is something behind that lawsuit then them being treated badly just like you said.

If their friendship wasn't that deep then...I just don't know what to think any more. I feel like yanking my hair out! The Thanksgiving concert was sad and all, I got really upset after watching though I don't know why-_-

HoMin decided to stay in SM, JYJ have started their own group, you know sometimes I feel like just giving up this faith thing and pretend they never existed in my life but you see I can't do that, I care for them too much and this is the first time I've ever cared for famous people. A friend tells me to just forget about them and move on to a different band, you see she used to be a fan not too long ago...I guess she gave up on them and went over to some band I don't care about >_> but I'll support JYJ and Homin with whatever they decide. I'll support and respect them all.

Five or not...it's not our choice to make, people should try and understand that a lawsuit doesn't just finish over night.

Thanks for sharing, sorry if there are any errors, I don't have time to correct right now^^,

Peace out!
Garcia: Argh!greese_gurei on June 16th, 2010 09:58 am (UTC)
PS: My icon just shows what I feel like doing=_="
Peace out!
(Anonymous) on June 16th, 2010 11:06 am (UTC)
You are so damn right!!
Mintcappucinomintcappucino on June 16th, 2010 02:03 pm (UTC)

I'm taking your sub, thankyou.

And about all these lawsuit. To be honest, I was one of those who thinks SM SUCKS. WAS.

But then I think, like many other celebrity news and rumours, WHO CAN GUARANTEE that all things we've heard, read, watched wa THE REAL SITUATION? Who can guarantee noone spice things up? This lawsuit matters had became A PUBLIC matter, so who knows what happend for real there? Who knows what kind of term those 5 had now? Only 5 of them for sure.

It's just like when you line up 12 people and you aske the 1st person to read a simple paragraph then tell it exactly to the next person. Who can guarantee 12th person will still have the SAME paragraph, without ANY difference?

I do believe what the 3 up for now, is what they think IT'S BEST for them. Atleast the best they can do, maybe to move on, maybe for the sake of singing, or whatever. So does the other 2. Maybe for them, the option to stay in SM was the best.

SO LET US FAN, eventhough it's hard and hurt, respect them. ^^

*although I'm also weeping watching their prev concert*
aomnpaomnp on June 16th, 2010 05:37 pm (UTC)
Thank you for sub
and i do not agree with you...just it
ayoepan: changmin 2ayoepan on June 16th, 2010 06:08 pm (UTC)
I'm taking the sub vid ^^
Appreciate your thought and understand u well. Well I try not taking side in the lawsuit, cause it'll make me depressed. IMO, ppl who involve in the lawsuit (SME and JYJ) are responsible to solve this matter.
And tbh, Homin are the one that I concerned the most, because they didn't do anything but still get the side effects of the lawsuit. And It'll be totally lie if I never regret JYJ decisions, but then I have to remember Kitagawa-san quote, before they're TVXQ members, they're just human being. So I dont blame JYJ or Homin, they have their stand point and reasons. They're grown up men who have needs to defend their human rights.

I know the chance for them to get back together is slim, but doesn't mean there's zero opportunity. IMO, as long as each member willing to protect TVXQ, TVXQ is still exist.

And anyway... once again Thanks alot ^^